Toto's "Waiting For Your Love", Jeff is very inspired, as always...
Yeah !!!
"Sideways Blues", by Vital Information, off the "Show Them Where You Live" Album. Steve's doing a swing pattern super-imposed over a triplet feel. Wierd.
Toto's "Waiting For Your Love", Jeff is very inspired, as always...
Yeah !!!
I don't think Brad's necessarily just after intros in odd time - more intros where it's hard to latch onto "one" or otherwise get a fix on the groove. For example, I was tempted to suggest the intro to Spin Doctors "Refrigerator Car" which is Aaron Comess playing a deeply groovy thing in 9, but it's easy to hear "one."
The intro to Van Halen's "Jump" always stumped me.......
[img]wink.gif[/img] Just Kidding......
Another intro thing that has always thrown me is Bozzio's unison intro on the title track of UK's 'Night After Night'. It has a weird 'floating' syncopation that is tough to grab a hold on.
Also, I know you said Rock, but Tony's lick at the intro to Stanley Clarke's tune 'Power' on his debut album is a stumper AW.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 31, 2005 04:22 PM: Message edited by: Clintuplet ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">HA HA!!Originally posted by BennyAndTheSkins:
The intro to Van Halen's "Jump" always stumped me.......
[img]wink.gif[/img] Just Kidding......
Seriously good topic here. Speaking of 'Jump', the beginning of 'Panama' was interesting to figure out (starts on + of 2, right?), as was Zep's R+R ( + of 3).
Funny story-
A cover band I was in did CT's "I Want You to Want Me". I knew that Bun E. started his intro with the snare playing pick-ups "+ 4", and that the kick came in on one. So, during the first rehearsal, I count it off "1, 2, ah 123" and hit the pick-ups. Well...the guitarist threw up....the only way he could feel it was if, in his mind, the first snare hit (the + of 3) was beat one, and then he would, using some twisted guitar-player logic, figure out when to come in. Sheesh..... [img]smile.gif[/img]
-sb
LOL
I had a similar 'encounter' w a lead gtrst/voc around '89/90 in the intro to the cover tune Goin' Crazy [80s [img]redface.gif[/img] , Halen's DLRoth]...he thought the 1st note of Vai's gtr intro started on 1, but it doesn't, it's on the [1] +...he could never get the count in right [to bring in the drums & bass], & i refused to count it incorrectly to bring the band in, as it's just not the right way to do it, & not the way you're musically trained, & because he was simply just too proud & arrogant [read: whole-of-artse] to be taught the correct way. I tried politely to explain what i was doiing but he just wasn't having it. He didn't want to be 'showed up' in front of the other band members [which was in no way how i was handling it nor what i was doing - it was HIS trip]. Galdurned rock gtrsts [I know; "let it GO, gamg"...eh, twas good remembrance for a little appropo story]... [img]wink.gif[/img]
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The gtr-solo section of Jump always seemed to me to actually help "make" the tune itself... [img]wink.gif[/img]
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Ah, Clint; now that you mention it, UK's tune The Only Thing She Needs off Danger Money has this cool TBoz drum intro, then into a killer synchop'd hits-intro-section w just keys/bass/kick drum in unison, actually in 4, altho it sounds 'polyrhythmically' weird because it's just the hits/kicks], b4 Jobson's keybd rhythm kicks in over those for the same 2 bar section into the head...for those of you who MAY be familiar w this tune, if i rem correctly, the accents during this second [16th note organ rhythm-] part of the ens hits were [no notes played in parentheses]:
[1] + 2 a [3] e [4] e a [1] a [2] e [3] e a [4] e + [repeat]
...I figured out the synch-count to the first sectn [said hits that begin right after the drum fills intro, b4 the organ rhythm kicks in] years ago, but I'd have to go back & listen again to rem it...if i can find the mp3 in a mountain of quasi/semi-catelogged CDRs... [img]wink.gif[/img] [See edit below]...
Re: UK_DM_TOTSN - OK, [I think] the ensemble syncho-hits [keybd "vibe" sound/bass/kick drum] in the 2nd part of the intro [after the initial drum intro, & b4 the organ rhythm kicks in] fall on [discount notes in parenthesis - only there to see the count; 2 bars of 4 [or 8/4], in 16ths:
[1] + a [2] + a, 4 e, [1] + a, 3 e, [4] e
then repeat [& continue through/under Jobson's 4/4 organ rhythm over the top, which also starts on the + of 1, which i listed firstly, above]... [img]cool.gif[/img]
If you were to write out these ens accent/hits AWA the organ rhythm, you can better see where they fall together. Sounds very "different," especially considering the time period it was released ['79].
The middle of the tune has this killin' section in a triplety feel which starts w a piano sound 'arpeggios.' Some vintage jammin' fusion-rock TBoz. Some great classic TB toms fills too that might even sweat NP fer sure... ;o]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 31, 2005 09:09 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yeah! Good call Fuse. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]UK's tune The Only Thing She Needs off Danger Money has this cool TBoz drum intro...
bows head [img]redface.gif[/img]
When the band comes in after the drum intro in the song "I Want You to Want Me" by Cheap Trick...I always seem to miss the hit. I get thrown off because my "one" is somewhere else when starting the intro. I "hear" it somewhere else...much to the dismay of my band members!
BTW, great call on the guitar solo in "Jump"...some non-run-of-the-mill drumminmg there, but fits real nice.
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<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ August 31, 2005 11:59 PM: Message edited by: harmonized ]</font></font>
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ September 01, 2005 12:15 AM: Message edited by: harmonized ]</font>
I edited my above post for that UK intro, whatever.
The gtr solo section in Jump is in 8/4 [2 bars of 4; duh], altho because of where the drums accent it makes it sound a little more jagged/staggered & more interesting for a rock tune. Something like [accents]:
1 2+ 4+ [1]+ [3]+ ...
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ August 31, 2005 09:22 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>
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